如何去算磁芯的气隙大小?
请教各位DX,已知CORE的电感,怎样算它的GAP大小?不盛感激!!
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@liucgood
sorry;Ican'tunderstandfull!forexample:E56/24/19core;Ae=337mm*mm;Le=107mm;Al=400nH/N2;Ue=159;thenwhatistheair-gap?thanks!
Can you see the Ferroxcube catalogue?the E56/24/19 core:Ui=2700(3C81),Ue=157,Al=400nH/N2,and the air-gap is about 370um;but I don't know how to calculate?
now I have a project:E55/28/21;Ui=2300;air-gap is 100um;can you help me to calculate the Al?thanks very much!!
now I have a project:E55/28/21;Ui=2300;air-gap is 100um;can you help me to calculate the Al?thanks very much!!
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@liucgood
CanyouseetheFerroxcubecatalogue?theE56/24/19core:Ui=2700(3C81),Ue=157,Al=400nH/N2,andtheair-gapisabout370um;butIdon'tknowhowtocalculate?nowIhaveaproject:E55/28/21;Ui=2300;air-gapis100um;canyouhelpmetocalculatetheAl?thanksverymuch!!
According to the Ferrocube catalog, if it is E56/24/19-E400,Al=400nH/N2,μe=101,lg=640μm (not 159 and 370 respectively as you have said). Using the formula for small gap, the calculated lg is 1020μm, a discrepancy exists. The one thing I am not so sure is whether the Ferroxcube gap is at the centre leg only or on all three legs.
The formula for small gap Al is Al(gapped)=μo.μr.Ae/(le+μr.lg). I think you can calculate it yourself.
The formula for small gap Al is Al(gapped)=μo.μr.Ae/(le+μr.lg). I think you can calculate it yourself.
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@qaz33510
AccordingtotheFerrocubecatalog,ifitisE56/24/19-E400,Al=400nH/N2,μe=101,lg=640μm(not159and370respectivelyasyouhavesaid).Usingtheformulaforsmallgap,thecalculatedlgis1020μm,adiscrepancyexists.TheonethingIamnotsosureiswhethertheFerroxcubegapisatthecentrelegonlyoronallthreelegs.TheformulaforsmallgapAlisAl(gapped)=μo.μr.Ae/(le+μr.lg).Ithinkyoucancalculateityourself.
But if you check the Philips catalog (Ferroxcube is now part of Philips),you will find that for E56/24/19-E400, μe is 101, while lg is 1240μm which is very close to the calculated value of 1020μm as in my messsage no.9.
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@qaz33510
AccordingtotheFerrocubecatalog,ifitisE56/24/19-E400,Al=400nH/N2,μe=101,lg=640μm(not159and370respectivelyasyouhavesaid).Usingtheformulaforsmallgap,thecalculatedlgis1020μm,adiscrepancyexists.TheonethingIamnotsosureiswhethertheFerroxcubegapisatthecentrelegonlyoronallthreelegs.TheformulaforsmallgapAlisAl(gapped)=μo.μr.Ae/(le+μr.lg).Ithinkyoucancalculateityourself.
thanks,
can you tell me what mean the Ur?and the Ae&Lg's units if is cm?
can you tell me what mean the Ur?and the Ae&Lg's units if is cm?
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@qaz33510
AccordingtotheFerrocubecatalog,ifitisE56/24/19-E400,Al=400nH/N2,μe=101,lg=640μm(not159and370respectivelyasyouhavesaid).Usingtheformulaforsmallgap,thecalculatedlgis1020μm,adiscrepancyexists.TheonethingIamnotsosureiswhethertheFerroxcubegapisatthecentrelegonlyoronallthreelegs.TheformulaforsmallgapAlisAl(gapped)=μo.μr.Ae/(le+μr.lg).Ithinkyoucancalculateityourself.
I think the air-gapis at the centre leg,because I used the ferroxcube core that the centre leg is grinded!if at three legs,I think the core don't grind and can use mylar or others to get the gap,do you think?
for my exprience:the centre leg gap thickness is twifold to the all three legs gap thickness.
for my exprience:the centre leg gap thickness is twifold to the all three legs gap thickness.
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@qaz33510
ButifyoucheckthePhilipscatalog(FerroxcubeisnowpartofPhilips),youwillfindthatforE56/24/19-E400,μeis101,whilelgis1240μmwhichisveryclosetothecalculatedvalueof1020μmasinmymesssageno.9.
yes,I check the philips catalogue,I don't know why there is discrepancy for the same campany?
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@liucgood
Ithinktheair-gapisatthecentreleg,becauseIusedtheferroxcubecorethatthecentrelegisgrinded!ifatthreelegs,Ithinkthecoredon'tgrindandcanusemylarorotherstogetthegap,doyouthink?formyexprience:thecentreleggapthicknessistwifoldtotheallthreelegsgapthickness.
The gap should be at the centre leg. I think the Philips data is more trustworthy.
μr is relative permeability, you can just use μi in place of it.
The units for Al is H/turn square, Ae metre square and lg metre. Or you can multiply the formula by 10^-3 and get Al in mH/T^2, Ae in cm^2 and lg in cm.
μr is relative permeability, you can just use μi in place of it.
The units for Al is H/turn square, Ae metre square and lg metre. Or you can multiply the formula by 10^-3 and get Al in mH/T^2, Ae in cm^2 and lg in cm.
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@qaz33510
Thegapshouldbeatthecentreleg.IthinkthePhilipsdataismoretrustworthy.μrisrelativepermeability,youcanjustuseμiinplaceofit.TheunitsforAlisH/turnsquare,Aemetresquareandlgmetre.Oryoucanmultiplytheformulaby10^-3andgetAlinmH/T^2,Aeincm^2andlgincm.
Yes,I agree the Philips data is more trustworthy!
I look for some datum and found the formula as below:
for EE,EF etc. square centre:Lg=Uo*N^2*Ae*10^4/L
for ER,EP etc. circle centre:Lg=Uo*N^2*Ae*10^4*(1+Lg/D)/L
note:L=inductance(uH)
Ae:cm
D:diametre(cm)
I calculate with this formula and the result is tight to the Philips data!
I look for some datum and found the formula as below:
for EE,EF etc. square centre:Lg=Uo*N^2*Ae*10^4/L
for ER,EP etc. circle centre:Lg=Uo*N^2*Ae*10^4*(1+Lg/D)/L
note:L=inductance(uH)
Ae:cm
D:diametre(cm)
I calculate with this formula and the result is tight to the Philips data!
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@liucgood
Yes,IagreethePhilipsdataismoretrustworthy!Ilookforsomedatumandfoundtheformulaasbelow:forEE,EFetc.squarecentre:Lg=Uo*N^2*Ae*10^4/LforER,EPetc.circlecentre:Lg=Uo*N^2*Ae*10^4*(1+Lg/D)/Lnote:L=inductance(uH) Ae:cm D:diametre(cm)IcalculatewiththisformulaandtheresultistighttothePhilipsdata!
Uo=4*3.14*10^-7
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@liucgood
Yes,IagreethePhilipsdataismoretrustworthy!Ilookforsomedatumandfoundtheformulaasbelow:forEE,EFetc.squarecentre:Lg=Uo*N^2*Ae*10^4/LforER,EPetc.circlecentre:Lg=Uo*N^2*Ae*10^4*(1+Lg/D)/Lnote:L=inductance(uH) Ae:cm D:diametre(cm)IcalculatewiththisformulaandtheresultistighttothePhilipsdata!
D=the centre diametre
Uo=4*3.14*10^-7
Uo=4*3.14*10^-7
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@liucgood
Yes,IagreethePhilipsdataismoretrustworthy!Ilookforsomedatumandfoundtheformulaasbelow:forEE,EFetc.squarecentre:Lg=Uo*N^2*Ae*10^4/LforER,EPetc.circlecentre:Lg=Uo*N^2*Ae*10^4*(1+Lg/D)/Lnote:L=inductance(uH) Ae:cm D:diametre(cm)IcalculatewiththisformulaandtheresultistighttothePhilipsdata!
For the circular centre formula, we've got Lg both on the left hand and right hand side, is this correct ? May I ask where do yo find this ? :)
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@liucgood
yes,butwhentheair-gapissmall,theAgshouldbeequaledAe;theAgshouldbeconsideredatbigair-gap;Doyouthink?
These 2 formulae take care of the fringing effect of the air gap by using the equivalent gap area Ag instead of Ae. Ag is taken as Ae plus a rim with a width of Lg/2 around Ae. Thus for square leg, Ag=(W+Lg).(B+Lg), for circular, Ag=(pi/4).(D+Lg)^2 =Ae.(1+Lg/D)^2. As you can see, the smaller Lg is, the closer Ag is to Ae. Yes, if Lg is very small, we can just use Ae; if Lg is big, we have to consider using Ag.
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@qaz33510
These2formulaetakecareofthefringingeffectoftheairgapbyusingtheequivalentgapareaAginsteadofAe.AgistakenasAeplusarimwithawidthofLg/2aroundAe.Thusforsquareleg,Ag=(W+Lg).(B+Lg),forcircular,Ag=(pi/4).(D+Lg)^2=Ae.(1+Lg/D)^2.Asyoucansee,thesmallerLgis,thecloserAgistoAe.Yes,ifLgisverysmall,wecanjustuseAe;ifLgisbig,wehavetoconsiderusingAg.
yes,I agree.thanks for your advice!!
if expediency,can contact me by E-mail:liucgood@163.com;
if expediency,can contact me by E-mail:liucgood@163.com;
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